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I am new to blogging so please bare with me. I think that this blog is a good idea for people to express their thoughts, ideas, concerns and offer constructive suggestions that will bring the LACA community together. It would be nice if this did not become a bashing forum. Nothing gets accomplished effectively without open lines of communication. I am more than sure it takes a lot of work to maintain and update information. Kudos to the person who started this!
My wife and I are in the Lake Adventure community for a few years now and have enjoyed every minute of it. We have shown other family members and friends Lake Adventure in which they also purchased property. I have seen increases in the dues in the past three years and have absorbed them. We have not had the luxury of the lower rates that have been here for quite a few years that others have had the pleasure of enjoying. Having run a business, I fully understand that increases may be necessary due to the rising costs of everything. Though I fully understand that some people are on fixed incomes, out of work or lower incomes I feel this is still a great value for the money. Heck, you can't even take a decent vacation for what this place costs per year to own. I want to bring in more quality people to Lake Adventure but I am getting a little reluctant due to all the bickering between owners and the BOD. I feel that we are on the right track with the new manager and his credentials appear to be good. From what I am hearing he is on a mission to make improvements that will make LACA a friendly, nice looking place as well as functional. It would be nice to see some members pool together and donate some time to help make it a better place also. We have Horseshoe pits, ball fields and such that do not appear to get used that often. Wouldn't it be nice to have some more activities? Maybe some scheduled games on the weekends for people to participate in. I would be willing to donate some time to make this a better place to have some more enjoyment. It would be nice to meet some more of our neighbors also. My wife and I have friends in other parks somewhat like this and I have to tell you that their activities are well coordinated. Renters as well as owners participate in the events and some even assist in running the events. They do not get quite as much as we get for there dues but it is a fun place to be and from what we have observed, people are very content. The point that I am trying to make is that you can't keep doing things the same way and expect different results. Sometimes things need to be a joint effort. I would like to see everyone come together and resolve what ever issues are before us with an end result to attract decent people to our community. Lets give the new guy a chance to see if a difference can be made and assist where we can. Thank you for the opportunity to express my thoughts. By the way, nice review on last nights dance. It is nice to see some positive feedback.
PS: Why is everybody anonymous on the blog?

olds -- you are right on the money -- more activities are needed to respond to the needs of new members, activities so the whole family can engage, activities for men and their children, activities that engage the teen members, and the exceptional swim program that this year will hold the finals at la later this summer -- yes the new manager qualifications on paper look good and i too look forward to his managing la for the benefit of all members, his ability to get the upgrades to the electrical and water infrastrutures and begin to show better progress with these projects-- to oversee the maintenance operations, the office support operations and hopefully begin to use the Internet to communicate with members, a way to save on postage and open a new avenue to let la members know what is happening at la---

yes i too hope that better days are ahead for la, a stronger financial situation, a better management for la, a more engaged membership and a lot less enraged membership--that would be a major start for la

---- chipper

dance

tonite there was a st. pat's dance with a dj -- was nice but not many people there -- i left a 9pm and there was about 40 people there -- kids sure enjoyed it as usual

clubhouse main room has been repainted in white with blue trim -- restrooms also painted -- very nice paint job by katie and her husband - i can't imagine painting a room of that size - it is a very big project -- good job!!!

SPRING CLEANING

started cleaning up today -- raking and blowing leaves, cleaning the deck, straightening out the shed, putting some furniture out and generally gettin things ready for the season -- sunny all day with mild temps - good day to work outside -- drove around and a lot of members are here this weekend doing the same thing-- dogs having a good time -- tonite is the st. pat dance -- have to go to that--- so if you missed this weekend you missed a good one-- ps-- daffodils are coming up

pss-- still looking for a roofer that works with rubber roofs -- anyone know anyone???

tough finances

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It is my understanding that the town is making LA enforce the residency rule. For as long as I can remember you cannot live there year round, don't know why, but I think it may be part of the covenants.

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Seems like someone cares about fellow LA property owners. True, if someone breaks the rules by registering, voting and getting PA credentials and stays they are wrong, but, if someone is out of a job or lost their home and have no place to live why can't they stay at LA except for a period of time?? The whole country is in trouble and if property owners can't understand this think of what the result wpould bem supporting people living on the street. Maybe people could respond with their thoughts on this

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residency is when you establish a permanent residence in which you claim 5000 lake adventure, milford, pa as your primary established residence and address-- you can be considered an established resident if you claim on any government document that 5000 lake adventure is your address-- examples are driver's licenses, voter registrations, vehicle registration, food stamps, welfare, enrollment in schools, to name a few- exceptions are the local property taxes on your lot or insurances covering your lot

la is open to it's members 365 days a year and you have a right to use la throughout that year just don't have it listed as your primary residence

this will be hard for the bod or the manager to prove -- they'll need a lot of luck

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VERY INTERESTING ABOUT THE FINES FOR RESIDENCY111 What should we do about the people that find LA is the only place they can afford to live after paying dues for 20 years or more. What happened to the two week rule that early property owners were led to believe?? Yes, if people register and send kids to school that is one thing but others who have no other place to live but on the streets how do you feel about them?? The whole country is in a sad shape and many people who want to work have lost jobs and are having a hard time existing, have a little compassion for our fellow man and if spending five or six months at LA will help them get on their feet so be it and not try to fine them $1000 that if they had they would probably be in an apartment

great weekend !!!!

was up to la this past saturday and sunday and the weather was terrific -- sunny and very warm 65' temps both days -- it was great -- quite a few people up with their families and dogs -- lots of clean up to do so going back up this weekend --

picked up a march flyer and was quite amused about the penalties for permannent residency at la -- they should have a field day trying how to enforce that rule since the only way to enforce it is to prove that a member has established legal residency at 5000 lake adventure -- that is next to impossible so good luck to the bod with that one

dues will be out 1 april ---- it may be APRIL FOOL'S day when they see how many members will have difficulty coming up with the membership dues in these tough economic environments --

saturday 3.21 is a st. pat's dance -- should be nice weather for this weekend and a few people will show up

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SEASON'S A COMMING

YEAH THE TEMPERATURES AT LA ARE CLIMBING -- I GUESS A FEW PEOPLE ARE SHOWING UP TO START THEIR SPRING CLEAN UP AND DO THE REPAIRS ON LAST OCTOBER'S STORM DAMAGE-- HAVE TO GET MY CABLE BACK ON AND THINK ABOUT COMING UP FOR THE ST. PAT'S DANCE NEXT WEEKEND--- ENJOY SUMMER IS RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER

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How do YOU know how many people look at this site?

What makes you think not that many? You're probably an average property owner just like me. You're looking at it, aren't you?

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I think the bod have thick skin. I wouldn't worry because not too many people are looking at this site. It's the same few people over and over again that come to this site.

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Based on the vicious attacks on both the character and qualifications of board members displayed on this site I sure wouldn't run for office. Don't be surprised if no one else runs next year either. There are a lot of accusations but it's all conjecture. Every time someone writes something positive about the BOD or a member someone else sees fit to tear them down. I believe half of what I see and none of what I hear. I think we elected some good people who are trying their best in a bad situation they inherited. Are they perfect? No, but if you can gather enough votes to walk in their shoes don't be surprised if you find yourself the object of some severe criticism on this site regardless of how hard you're working. Before you have a chance to accuse me - I'm not a board member, not a LA employee, not a real estate agent and not the attorney, all things I've erroneously been accused of on this site. I'm a property owner who somehow seems to enjoy their time at LA despite all the horrific things I read about here.

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you hit the nail on the head, unfortunately too many people don't make inquiries to the proper people. I must say though that the issue was discussed at an open meeting, and PO's were told why that particular section in the back was done first, it was the worst! Had nothing to do with who lived there. Of course you would have to attend meetings to get the information.

PAUL KRUGMAN - FINANCES

OP-ED COLUMNIST
The Big Dither

By PAUL KRUGMAN
Published: March 5, 2009
Last month, in his big speech to Congress, President Obama argued for bold steps to fix America’s dysfunctional banks. “While the cost of action will be great,” he declared, “I can assure you that the cost of inaction will be far greater, for it could result in an economy that sputters along for not months or years, but perhaps a decade.”

Many analysts agree. But among people I talk to there’s a growing sense of frustration, even panic, over Mr. Obama’s failure to match his words with deeds. The reality is that when it comes to dealing with the banks, the Obama administration is dithering. Policy is stuck in a holding pattern.

Here’s how the pattern works: first, administration officials, usually speaking off the record, float a plan for rescuing the banks in the press. This trial balloon is quickly shot down by informed commentators.

Then, a few weeks later, the administration floats a new plan. This plan is, however, just a thinly disguised version of the previous plan, a fact quickly realized by all concerned. And the cycle starts again.

Why do officials keep offering plans that nobody else finds credible? Because somehow, top officials in the Obama administration and at the Federal Reserve have convinced themselves that troubled assets, often referred to these days as “toxic waste,” are really worth much more than anyone is actually willing to pay for them — and that if these assets were properly priced, all our troubles would go away.

Thus, in a recent interview Tim Geithner, the Treasury secretary, tried to make a distinction between the “basic inherent economic value” of troubled assets and the “artificially depressed value” that those assets command right now. In recent transactions, even AAA-rated mortgage-backed securities have sold for less than 40 cents on the dollar, but Mr. Geithner seems to think they’re worth much, much more.

And the government’s job, he declared, is to “provide the financing to help get those markets working,” pushing the price of toxic waste up to where it ought to be.

What’s more, officials seem to believe that getting toxic waste properly priced would cure the ills of all our major financial institutions. Earlier this week, Ben Bernanke, the Federal Reserve chairman, was asked about the problem of “zombies” — financial institutions that are effectively bankrupt but are being kept alive by government aid. “I don’t know of any large zombie institutions in the U.S. financial system,” he declared, and went on to specifically deny that A.I.G. — A.I.G.! — is a zombie.

This is the same A.I.G. that, unable to honor its promises to pay off other financial institutions when bonds default, has already received $150 billion in aid and just got a commitment for $30 billion more.

The truth is that the Bernanke-Geithner plan — the plan the administration keeps floating, in slightly different versions — isn’t going to fly.

Take the plan’s latest incarnation: a proposal to make low-interest loans to private investors willing to buy up troubled assets. This would certainly drive up the price of toxic waste because it would offer a heads-you-win, tails-we-lose proposition. As described, the plan would let investors profit if asset prices went up but just walk away if prices fell substantially.

But would it be enough to make the banking system healthy? No.

Think of it this way: by using taxpayer funds to subsidize the prices of toxic waste, the administration would shower benefits on everyone who made the mistake of buying the stuff. Some of those benefits would trickle down to where they’re needed, shoring up the balance sheets of key financial institutions. But most of the benefit would go to people who don’t need or deserve to be rescued.

And this means that the government would have to lay out trillions of dollars to bring the financial system back to health, which would, in turn, both ensure a fierce public outcry and add to already serious concerns about the deficit. (Yes, even strong advocates of fiscal stimulus like yours truly worry about red ink.) Realistically, it’s just not going to happen.

So why has this zombie idea — it keeps being killed, but it keeps coming back — taken such a powerful grip? The answer, I fear, is that officials still aren’t willing to face the facts. They don’t want to face up to the dire state of major financial institutions because it’s very hard to rescue an essentially insolvent bank without, at least temporarily, taking it over. And temporary nationalization is still, apparently, considered unthinkable.

But this refusal to face the facts means, in practice, an absence of action. And I share the president’s fears: inaction could result in an economy that sputters along, not for months or years, but for a decade or more.

roofer needed

looking for a roofer to fix my rubber roof -- any one have any experiences with any of them at la-- difficult to decide who to call -- thanks - chipper

12' wide issue won't happen !!!!!!!!

THE TONE OF THIS LETTER SUGGESTS THAT THE 12' WIDE ISSUE WITH THE TOWNSHIP IS IN TROUBLE OR DOA!!!! --

LA MUST UPGRADE THEIR INFRASTRUCTURES FOR ELECTRIC, WATER AND SEWAGE--

AT THE RATE THAT THIS BOD IS PROCEEDING WITH THESE UPGRADES IT WILL BE 10 YEARS OR MORE BEFORE THEY COULD POSSIBLY UPGRADE THESE SYSTEMS-- THEY ARE SCREWING AROUND WITH THESE PROJECTS AND NOT MAKING ANY PROGRESS AT ALL --

I'D LIKE TO KNOW HOW MANY PROPERTIES HAVE HAD ELECTRICAL UPGRADES, LATERAL UPGRADES AND IN WHAT TIME FRAME AND AT WHAT COST PER PROPERTY-- THEY PROBABLY DON'T EVEN KNOW - I'D BET THAT THE COST PER PROPERTY IS MORE THAN MOST PROPERTIES ARE WORTH

THEY HAVE CONTRACTORS THAT ARE RIPPING OFF THE COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION BUT THEY STILL DO BUSINESS WITH THEM -- I WONDER WHETHER THESE CONTRACTS ARE EVEN PUT UP FOR LEGITIMATE BIDS WITH REPUTABLE CONTRACTORS OR ARE WE USING SOME ONE'S FRIEND???

THIS BOD IS RESPONSIBLE FOR GETTING THESE UPGRADES DONE IN A TIMELY MANNER AND AT AT DECENT RATE--

ELECTRICAL UPGRADES SHOULD BE 200 PER YEAR WITH A GOAL OF COMPLETING THE COMPLEX IN LESS THAT 10 YEARS-- THEY ARE NOWHERE NEAR THAT GOAL

LATERAL UPGRADES AND SEWAGE MUST ALSO BE DONE SIMULTANEOUSLY WITH THE ELECTRICAL WORK

SO YOU CAN SOON SEE THAT THIS BOD ISN'T DOING IT'S JOB AND THE UPGRADES AREN'T AMOUNTING TO ANYTHING -

UNLESS THERE IS SERIOUS EFFORT MADE TO UPGRADE THESE SYSTEMS WITH CONTRACTORS THAT CAN DO THE WORK, COSTS CAN BE CONTROLLED AND THE MEMBERSHIP WILL PAY THE BILL THE 12' WIDE ISSUE IS NOT A LIKELY SITUATION FOR LA

BUT EVEN WITHOUT THE 12' WIDE ISSUE ON THE TABLE THESE PROJECTS NEED TO BE DONE OR SOMEDAY LA WILL BE CHAINED SHUT FOR VIOLATIONS OF ONE TYPE OR ANOTHER, FINES OR JUDGEMENTS AGAINST THE COMMUNITY

SO THE BOD IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS PROBLEM -- LET'S SEE IF THEY CAN DO ANYTHING

---- CHIPPER



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Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "reply - rules - upgrades":

http://www.condolawyers.com/articles/robert.htm. Lawyers interpretation of Roberts Rules as they pertain to homeowner associations. I couldn't find anything on the Internet that mandates associations in PA must adopt this format. I'm from Missouri, Please Show Me a PA gov website that says we must by law adhere to these guidelines. All I could find is that following the guidelines are voluntary and could be adopted in the association bylaws.
Robert's Rules of Order, the recognized guide to running meetings and conferences effectively and fairly, as advertised on their website.

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Joe Birrell's explanation makes sense to me but the reason that section was done first wasn't made very public or there wouldn't be such an uproar on this site. It seems to me that based on comments here if section 5 was done first people in sections 1,2,3 & 4 would complain. If section 4 was done first those in 1,2,3 & 5 would find a reason to complain. You can please some of the people some of the time but you can't please all of the people all of the time.

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Sounds like this was written by Lenny or Marietta themselves, or one of their infamous friends. They're good for taking all the credit for things getting done, except that it has all been in the works long before they got involved.

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If an obituary page is going to be posted, it should at least be updated with guidelines. Some information about the people would be nice. Without the details the page is meaningless. In my opinion the page should come down or do it right. By the way, I have checked a few other lake communities in the area and not one has an obituary page.

Perhaps the web admin for the site can post more info about events, pictures, etc. From a marketing perspective the focus should be on LA and how great it is for families.

Does anyone think the obituary page turns people away?

Just my 2 cents. Have a nice day. :)

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I SURE DON'T WANT TO VOTE ON THE DAY TO DAY OPERATIONS THAT IS WHY WE PAY BIG BUCKS TO PROPERTY MANAGERS, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THAT GIVES THEM LICENCE TO SC--W US . I JUST WANT TO VOTE ON THE PROPSED BUDGET THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE PRESENTED AT AN OPEN SPECIAL MEETING TO PRESENT THE BUDGET PREPARED BY THE BOD & THEN VOTED ON YES OR NO BY A MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE PRESENT WHETHER TO ACCEPT OR DECLINE JUST AS YOU DO ON YOUR SCHOOL BUDGETS. THAT RIGHT FOR THE LAST 3 BUDGETS HAS BEEN TAKEN AWAY BY THE BOD. THAT IS WHAT CCLA TOOK THEM TO TASK FOR. WHAT IS THE PROBLEM & WHY IS PAST & PRESENT BOARD PAYING A LAWYER TO TAKE AWAY YOUR RIGHTS. CAN IT BE THAT THERE IS NOT AN UNANIMOUS VOTE ON THIS ISSUE & THE 2 MEMBERS MR. BERKEY TRIED TO TAR IN HIS INFUMOUS LETTER VOTING TO KEEP YOUR RIGHTS? WHY NOT ASK WHEN THERE IS A MEET THE CANDIDATES NIGHT OR AT AN OPEN BOARD MEETING? ASK EVERY CANDIDATE IF HE THINKS PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE NO RIGHT TO VOTE ON THESE ENORMOUS INCREASES OR WILL HE ALSO WANT TO BE AGAINST YOUR RIGHT AS AN OWNER TO VOTE

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It was good to read something from an owner who makes sense as oppose to the friend of the board president who only wants to ignore the fact that former board presidents & board members have run Lake Adventure like their private kingdom with the lowly servants having no rights to republish that ridiculous letter he wrote condemning CCLA when he is spending money on the lawyer to fight against property owners right to vote on the budgets and wants to make it only right for 7 elected members to decide on much dues are for 1749 lots.
That was Lenny Masucci, board member you saw who has a reputation of helping property owners when they can't get the help from our maintence to perform work they get paid to do and there is only 1 woman on the board the one elected last year Marietta Richard who I and many others saw on job sites & working in office after Gary was fired. Understand that she volunteered to oversee work that was needed until a property manager was going to be hired. All I know is that I didn't see those two board members sitting at the pool enjoying themselves like our esteemed Pres. & Treasurer, Ed Rohs. I guess you know who I am voting for if they are running. I am anonymous because I don't want Mr. Berkey blaming me for his mistakes.

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CALL THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE FOR CONSUMER AFFAIRS AND THEY WILL TELL YOU THAT ASSOCIATIONS SUCH AS OURS BY PA LAW MUST BE RUN UNDER ROBERTS RULES OR GO TO A LIBRARY OR INTERNET AND LOOK IT UP.
AS TO THE QUESTION OF WHERE IS THE ELECTRIC BEING UPGRADED I STOPPED & ASKED WHEN I SAW THEM INSTALLING IT IN FALL & WAS TOLD BY JOE BIRREL, COMPLIANCE OFFICER FOR LA THAT THE WORK WAS NOW BEING DONE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE PARK BECAUSE THAT IS THE OLDEST SECTION & FIRST SECTION PUT IN IN 1976 AND WOULD CONTINUE BEING INSTALLED SO THAT OLDEST SECTIONS WOULD GET UPGRADED & THAT THIS WOULD IMPROVE THE OTHER AREAS AS WORK PROGRESSED. THIS CERTAINLY MADE SENSE TO ME RATHER THAT GOING TO MAYBE PERFERED AREAS WHERE BOARD MEMBERS HAVE THEIR LOTS. MAYBE WE FINALLY HAVE SOME MEMBERS THINKING OR HAVE MORE EXPERIENCE THAN THOSE WHO SERVED ON BOARD BEFORE. FROM WHAT I HEARD FROM OTHERS THE FIRST SECTION THAT WAS DONE ALL THE WAY IN BACK OF PARK WAS DONE BECAUSE 3 BOARD MEMBERS HAVE LOTS BACK THERE & PM KNEW WHERE HIS BREAD WAS BUTTERED, YOU THINK?

LETTER FROM PREZ !!!

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Would the party who made the statement that members have no right to vote on budgets, expenditures etc. please tell me which page, of the 1840, in Roberts Rules contain that statement!!!!Being a member of a Homeowners Association for over 20 years and Lake Adventure for 18 but must confess really didn't bother to get involved until someone told me about the Chipper last month and after reading entries am really shocked to find out all the issues that exist. First off, the duly elected board has the responsibility to work for the membership and not their gains, as people have indicated with members getting electrical upgrades, road and sewer repairs while others who are not friends of board members flounder. Yes, there is a lot of mis-doings going on if even .01% of these is true. But the main response is that members have no rights. Are we in Cuba or other countries run by dictators, we damn well do have the right to vote on where our money is going so before the party who made that statement should read Roberts Rules updated version as of 2006 to see how an organization such as LA should be run. As far as people making supposedly false statements they should be taken with a grain of salt, plus, if people wouldn't feel threatened if they verse their opinions about what's going on they would put their names in blogs, I sure as hell won't after hearing threats at the August meeting against CCLA members. As CCLA goes I too wonder, as a blogger mentioned, how much their lawyer costs in comparison to what we are being charged by the lawyer who was to solve our trailer problem only to generate more anger towards LA by the township!!! Election time is coming and property owners should reflect their approval or dis-approval of board members up for re-election personally I observed one member, while I spent my three weeks up there last summer, I believe his name is Lennie who was trying to get repair work done on property owners lot that had been dug up with a hole the size of a bomb crater and saw him there numerous times along with a woman board member doing supervisory work that should've been done by a manager or maintenance supervisor. If they are up for re-election they will get my vote and only wish other board members took that kind of interest. I wish I was in the position to run for the board but family obligations and work prevent this but I can assure you when retirement rolls around and I do have the time I will take a greater interest in LA and where my dues are going.

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I know the concensus is the previous PM and BOD did damage but what specifically has the new BOD done to mismanage finances, labor and equipment? Is the thought that only a few members have been replaced so they are all guilty by association to the previous board members? If we are being exposed to lawsuits and city/county fines we need to know what they are doing and quickly address each issue as the fines impact our dues and ultimately our pocket books. Paying dues for facilty upgrades is one thing but I'd like to know what labor and city laws we must address to avoid fines to which we may be open to. It sounds like they are doing nothing right. I for one am in the dark as to all the possible infractions this BOD has left us open to and you appear to have more information as to what the BOD is doing right and wrong than the rest of us so we'd like further details. As for unqualified members, I read the biographies of each candidate last year and they all had business management experience, financial accountability, etc. If candidates lie on the bios that are mailed out how are we to know who is qualified? I would hope there is some screening to make sure there is truth in each candidate's resume.


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it's comments like yours that lead people to think our BOD isn't qualified to make decisions, these bd members come from very diversified backgrounds, some professional, some running businesses, some with quite alot of knowledge of electrical, water systems and sewer mgmt. Do not believe everything the people at the twsp. tell you, there are some there who just love to give out misleading or plain wrong information. You don't know what you are talking about, but you're accusations sure do stir the pot, which is one of the biggest problems at LACA.

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SURE KEEP CALLING THE TOWNSHIP, 5 PEOPLE WILL GET 5 DIFFERENT ANSWERS, THE TOWN ARE NOT TRYING TO HELP, BUT THEY ARE GOOD AT DOUBLE TALKING.

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I GUESS IF THE CCLA MAKES THE SAME FALSE ACCUSATIONS LONG ENOUGH THEY FEEL PEOPLE WILL EVENTUALLY BELIEVE WHAT THEY ARE ACCUSING THE BOD OF. ALL I CAN SAY TO NEW OWNERS OR ANYONE INTERESTED IN HOW LACA IS RUN IS TO ATTEND OPEN BOARD MEETINGS AND GET FIRST HAND INFORMATION FOR YOURSELF, THEN MAKE YOUR OWN DECISION.


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YEAH FOR THE NEW MEMBERS, WHO WERE NO BETTER QUALIFIED THAN PAST BUDGET MEMBERS WHO INCLUDED AN ACCOUNTANT, AND PERSONS WHO WORKED IN BOOKKEEPING, DOESN'T SOUND LIKE 90% TO ME, BUT HERE WE GO AGAIN WITH THE MISINFORMATION. GOTTA LOVE THE CCLA.

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3. In Robert's Rules, the decisions are made by the members of an organization. Why doesn't an Association board allow the members to vote on issues that face our Association?
This is a common question which illustrates a basic misunderstanding about the structure of an Association. In a typical homeowners' association, the individual owners have very limited rights. They have the power to elect the board, and they have some rights under the law regarding mergers, dissolution of the corporation, changes to the Association's governing documents, and other types of major decisions as provided by applicable law. The major decision-making authority vests with the elected board of directors. Therefore, even where Robert's Rules may apply, the members will not have the right to vote on the day to day business decisions of the Association.


anon -- that's why the bod members should have some experience in managing a business or overseeing an organization-- this bod has too many members on it who are unqualified for this job -- they continually display an arrogant attitude toward the association members, they mismanage the assets of the community from the finances to the labor and equipment, they operate on the edge of the law and skirt around any number of laws, their actions expose la to fines, lawsuits, and possible adverse settlements-- the association membership needs to be sure they know who they are voting onto this bod -- the consequences of having unqualified people on the bod can be very detrimental to the welfare of the community

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I too called the twsp and was advised there was miscommunication regarding trailer permits. I was also told our electric system was one of the main reasons we were denied 12' wides. They don't want more stress on the electric system, they feel a larger trailer would use more electric than an old 8 1/2 wide. Actually a new 12' wide would use less electric than an old tipout. The new 12's are enegery compliant and with new furnaces, hot water heaters and cooling systems plus better insulation they are more energy efficient. Too bad the twsp doesn't see it that way.

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I am a new owner (4 years) but isn't this Association run according to Roberts Rules, I thought that this was law in PA as in most states which I believe states that property owners have the right to vote for or against a new budget & if voted against then a new budget must be prepared & presented. Also at a schedule hearing of the budget a quoram of the people attending can vote for or against. From listening to neighbors this board or previous members for the last two years over-ruled the quoram and pushed an unwanted budget thru & the next year the board wouldn't allow the property owners vote. Even this year when they lowered the dues by $150.00 (a drop in the bucket, after the enormous increases from the $950 charge 5 years ago) they still would not ALLOW the owners to vote on budget. Someone with knowledge of PA law of Roberts Rule is this even legal? Help please if you know the answer and can back it up so we can take them to task.

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Mistake by township - what else is new - Lake Adventure there new cash cow - I called & you only need as before permit for trailer placement from LA - recommend that if your lot does not have original stakes according to your deed then get it surveyed & staked. Hey, have friends in other dingman communities & they just go get a permit for a deck from twp with no hassel then when completed inspector comes out & gives approval. Why all the harrasment aginst us? What is twp objective to force us out and sell to a developer so they have more taxes to coffer. I guess they're not worried about infrastruce of other communities who are having way more problems with their Assoc than us - Heard that Sunrise suing their builder who they pay dues to & won't even fix their pool plus not living up to their promies. Dingmans after them too?:

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I agree about the obituary page needing to come down. What is the purpose of having it? In fact, it can really open a can of worms. If someone passes on and their name is not listed, can that be seen as discrimination? What is the process to have someone added to the page? No process is listed on the web page. That leads me to believe that the board, management and staff extend condolences as they see fit. If you do it for one, you must do it for all.

THIS PAGE NEED TO COME DOWN or add some processes around it such as:

- How to submit a name
- Length of time name will be published
- background about the person (Details)

right on the mark !!!!!!!

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If you've been an owner for five years you must have observed what the status of our infrastructure and fines we had to pay due to mis-management by our maintenance department and sewer treatment plant by the previous manager and with no audit available at the time of his being let go who knows what else he did. One item everyone must be aware of is the DEP is on our case about the water and sewer and if everyone just thinks we have the best people taking care of these utilities at present why are the township and DEP evaluating us. For everyone's information the DEP fined Eagle Lake $35K for violations last summer as first time offenders and with us alrteady paying a $10K fine do you think we will be fined less?? If so wait for the Easter Bunny to pay it. In previous blogs the infrastructure has been mentioned by the township the reason we cannot upgrade our trailers, hello, if the same people maintain our systems and use the same contractors for repairs and upgrades where do you think we are headed--for a train wreck. The new manager, by the information from the board, should make the maintenance and sewer treatment and water system a top priority or face more fines and possibly a closure. If you need proof about Eagle Lake look on the web site for Eagle Lake/Wilkes Barre fine and you can see what I'm talking about. As a full time resident of Pennsylvania I've found out the hard way about the laws and fines the state hands out and with the township having lean times in meeting their budgets there is no faster way to build up revenues than fining property owners.

SLOOOOOOOOOOOOOW PROGRESS ????

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Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "bod + mismangement + finances = bingo":

I've been an owner for almost five years. I didn't receive a copy of the CCLA claim. When was it mailed out? It would be appreciated if someone would submit it to Chipper and let him post it so those of us who are unaware of the situation can be updated. While I don't doubt the claims I'd like to see the letter rather than rely on hearsay.
We have a new manager and you indicate for the first time we are receiving fiance accountability and have board members with backgrounds relative to their board seat. Sounds to me like this BOD has accomplished quite a bit in the last nine months.

bod + mismangement + finances = bingo

Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "in defense of everything !!!":

You must be new owner or you would have received the mailing about what CCLA was requesting as the rights of property owners to have acess to. There never was a lawsuit against the Association but after years of requesting info. and the boards over the past 20 years running the community like their own little kingdom and refusing to ALLOW property owners, without having to sign 5 documents plus getting a notary to verify their signature then maybe the bod would allow you to see whatever you requested. They even asked the Attorney General to step in who informed them that the only way to force the issue was to hire a private attorney & get the courts to intervene to force them by PA. law "A right to know state" to let anyone look over the books. Enough people in the community felt that the only way to do this was to raise money to hire a lawyer which at least a third of property owners felt it was important enough to put up their money to try & get answers. Their intention has never been to sue for money, which would only be suing themselves, but since the board refused to provide answers were hoping that the courts would side with owners and & rule that they have a right to know if their money is being spent correctly or is being mismanaged. If it has cost $9,000 as Mr. Berkey states it is because they are fighting against your rights and the new lawyer they have hired is charging outrageously high fees as I have heard that CCLA has not spent even half that amount for their lawyer. Why is the President & some board members fighting so hard against CCLA what are they trying to hide? A manager gets fired after 5 years, not because he was doing a great job but because there were problems with his management, don't you think owners have a right to know if he mismanaged our funds that he had the right to sign for loans, and exhorbitant contracts and to accept bids. With so many other associations the last few years proving that money is stolen from their accounts & people going to jail that we are not entitled to the proof that our money has not also been misappropriated? Sure Mr. Berkey this summer stated that if you want to review anything he will now allow it after you request it in writing and get approval. But this is after CCLA had to hire a lawyer, but says if they want to have an accountant check the finances then they should pay the fee. Why? the responsibility is the Boards not members of the community to prove that the PM did the right thing under our employment

bod + mismanagement + finances = bingo

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IN ANSWER TO WHAT A WONDERFUL JOB THE TREASURER, ED ROHS DID THIS YEAR WITH THE BUDGET THAT EVERYTHING IS LISTED, YOU ARE RIGHT, BUT NO THANKS TO HIM BUT TO THE FACT THAT FINALLY AFTER ALL THE YEARS OF THE SAME PEOPLE ON THE BUDGET COMMITTEE WHO 90% HAD NO BACKGROUND IN FINANCE A NEW COMMITTEE WAS FINALLY FORMED WITH ACTUAL OWNERS WHO HAD BACKGROUNDS IN FINANCE, BUDGET PREPARTION & THE FACT THAT THE NEW BOARD VOTED THAT THERE SHOULD BE MORE ACCOUNTABILITY TO THE COMMUNITY. PLUS THE FACT THAT MEMBERS OF CCLA HAVE REQUESTED TIME & TIME AGAIN FOR AN ACCOUNTING OF VARIOUS FUNCTIONS IN THE COMMUNITY THAT WERE NEVER BROKEN DOWN BEFORE AS TO COST & RETURN. SO MUCH INFO ON THIS YEAR'S BUDGET IS MANY THANKS TO THE NEW MEMBERS WHO MADE SURE THEY GOT ANSWERS TO THE QUESTIONS THAT THE COMMUNITY NEEDED TO KNOW.
ALSO THANKS TO THOSE CCLA MEMBERS ON THE BUDGET COMMITTEE WHO ALSO WORKED HARD TO GET YOU THE INFO.

PAUL KRUGMAN

OP-ED COLUMNIST
Climate of Change


By PAUL KRUGMAN
Published: February 27, 2009
Elections have consequences. President Obama’s new budget represents a huge break, not just with the policies of the past eight years, but with policy trends over the past 30 years. If he can get anything like the plan he announced on Thursday through Congress, he will set America on a fundamentally new course.

The budget will, among other things, come as a huge relief to Democrats who were starting to feel a bit of postpartisan depression. The stimulus bill that Congress passed may have been too weak and too focused on tax cuts. The administration’s refusal to get tough on the banks may be deeply disappointing. But fears that Mr. Obama would sacrifice progressive priorities in his budget plans, and satisfy himself with fiddling around the edges of the tax system, have now been banished.

For this budget allocates $634 billion over the next decade for health reform. That’s not enough to pay for universal coverage, but it’s an impressive start. And Mr. Obama plans to pay for health reform, not just with higher taxes on the affluent, but by putting a halt to the creeping privatization of Medicare, eliminating overpayments to insurance companies.

On another front, it’s also heartening to see that the budget projects $645 billion in revenues from the sale of emission allowances. After years of denial and delay by its predecessor, the Obama administration is signaling that it’s ready to take on climate change.

And these new priorities are laid out in a document whose clarity and plausibility seem almost incredible to those of us who grew accustomed to reading Bush-era budgets, which insulted our intelligence on every page. This is budgeting we can believe in.

Many will ask whether Mr. Obama can actually pull off the deficit reduction he promises. Can he actually reduce the red ink from $1.75 trillion this year to less than a third as much in 2013? Yes, he can.

Right now the deficit is huge thanks to temporary factors (at least we hope they’re temporary): a severe economic slump is depressing revenues and large sums have to be allocated both to fiscal stimulus and to financial rescues.

But if and when the crisis passes, the budget picture should improve dramatically. Bear in mind that from 2005 to 2007, that is, in the three years before the crisis, the federal deficit averaged only $243 billion a year. Now, during those years, revenues were inflated, to some degree, by the housing bubble. But it’s also true that we were spending more than $100 billion a year in Iraq.

So if Mr. Obama gets us out of Iraq (without bogging us down in an equally expensive Afghan quagmire) and manages to engineer a solid economic recovery — two big ifs, to be sure — getting the deficit down to around $500 billion by 2013 shouldn’t be at all difficult.

But won’t the deficit be swollen by interest on the debt run-up over the next few years? Not as much as you might think. Interest rates on long-term government debt are less than 4 percent, so even a trillion dollars of additional debt adds less than $40 billion a year to future deficits. And those interest costs are fully reflected in the budget documents.

So we have good priorities and plausible projections. What’s not to like about this budget? Basically, the long run outlook remains worrying.

According to the Obama administration’s budget projections, the ratio of federal debt to G.D.P., a widely used measure of the government’s financial position, will soar over the next few years, then more or less stabilize. But this stability will be achieved at a debt-to-G.D.P. ratio of around 60 percent. That wouldn’t be an extremely high debt level by international standards, but it would be the deepest in debt America has been since the years immediately following World War II. And it would leave us with considerably reduced room for maneuver if another crisis comes along.

Furthermore, the Obama budget only tells us about the next 10 years. That’s an improvement on Bush-era budgets, which looked only 5 years ahead. But America’s really big fiscal problems lurk over that budget horizon: sooner or later we’re going to have to come to grips with the forces driving up long-run spending — above all, the ever-rising cost of health care.

And even if fundamental health care reform brings costs under control, I at least find it hard to see how the federal government can meet its long-term obligations without some tax increases on the middle class. Whatever politicians may say now, there’s probably a value-added tax in our future.
But I don’t blame Mr. Obama for leaving some big questions unanswered in this budget.

There’s only so much long-run thinking the political system can handle in the midst of a severe crisis; he has probably taken on all he can, for now. And this budget looks very, very good.

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in defense of everything !!!

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Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "la lawyer - bod president":

I did read the Adventurer and thought the letters by the president were well written. The cover letter requested we come together as a Community and respect each other, something we need to do. I've not heard any situations where the board president has been screaming and demanding, again if you have specifics, let us all in on the incidents so we can address the issues. I would not have a problem writting or calling the BOD if these theatrics are going on.
The second letter should not offend the CCLA, they filed the suit. I do agree the one person should not have been singled out but I don't know who he is. A property owner or CCLA attorney? It was stated budget information is available by request. I now know the board's view and where $9,000 of our money is going but the CCLA has not made their case public so I don't know what information was request, denied and why and if their suit is justified. Bylaws were referenced that preclude property owners access of specific information and I don't have a problem with that. If you do then you need to lobby to get the rules changed.
In reading the letter from the twsp I was made aware the lawyer has been in contact with the town and the twsp is now adamant they will not consider 12' wides until the water and electrical systems are up to code. Just because 12' wides have not been approved doesn't mean the attorney has been doing nothing. Unless you have valid information the accusation is unfounded.
Where's the Money? "the answer is right in your Adventurer - duh - did you bother to read it?" The Treasurer did a great job of itemizing expenses in four spread sheets. There is also a wealth of LA budget information on the LA website. I find the information in both places very easy to read and understand and don't need a more complex explanation of our expenditures. If you feel you need a further breakdown design a format you feel is acceptable and submit it to the treasurer. An anternate format may be easier for all of us to read and understand.
There is a good way for those who feel the management is not doing a good job for the community. Consider running for the BOD and turn the negative energy into a positive contribution.

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The President Berkey has a place to answer he did right in your Adventurer -duh - did you bother to read it- he does all the talking - just like former President's by screaming & demanding his way or the highway - If he would have answered the questions of where's the money then he wouldn't or I should say we wouldn't be paying for this overpriced lawyer - Bet CCLA didn't pay nowhere near what she is costing us. How about CCLA tell us how much they paid to their lawyer. LACA's lawyer will drag this out just like she is doing with the township to make the big bucks. Do you know of any lawyers who don't. How much has she charged so far for what she has done nothing and accomplished nothing with the township? another winner like the former lawyer the old board kept paying for what 6/7 years who managed to really screw everything up. The township must be as happy as clams to see us wasting our money.

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Hot topics today! The current board didn't turn "this beautiful community into a hell hole" since last summer, we've been in a downward spiral for years and anyone who has been here for a while knows that. A new PM isn't going to turn this place around overnight, it will take a year or two for him to get things on track as there are MAJOR long term projects that need attention. Overwhelming him with complaints and accusations of board members may just make him abandon ship. The new PM, who by the way has some impressive credentials, has a thin line to walk to gain the trust of property owners and the approval of board members. I believe I will give the new team (PM and BOD) some time to get used to each other's style of management, a chance to improve the community and the opprotunity to work on property owner/management relations. I'm optimistic this will be a better year at Lake Adventure.

anon -- well stated and right on the mark -- chipper

COMMUNITY APATHY ????? RU1 ????

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Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "president low ratings???? still":

Many complain they don't know where the money goes, well you now know where $9,000 is going. The BOD and President continually have their integrity questioned on this site yet don't have a place to respond. I try to be open minded and I'm happy to learn there are two sides to the story and the opinions on this site are not always the right ones. Our community is no different than any other with a management board. There would surely be chaos if there was no hierarchy in control. Like it or not we need management. Last election only about 20% of the owners voted suggesting apathy on our part. Blowing off steam on this site won't help unless we campaign to get the rest of the property owners interested in the future of the community.

STILL UNHAPPY IN LA !!!

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The community is in disrepair and has been for years. I'm not a construction engineer but my take is the community was not constructed with the highest quality equipment to begin with. If previous boards dealt with the repairs on an ongoing basis we wouldn't be in this mess. There are a lot of vague yet serious accusations made about the current board that has been in place less than a year. What bids have been given to family and friends in this short amount of time? What loans are at the highest interest rates and for the amounts we need we can we get lower rates that will offset any penalties? What decisions have been made to benefit only a few? We need new electric and water systems, how do you suggest we pay for them if not with dues? We have a limited season for making upgrades and the whole community cannot get upgraded in 6 months especially when the park is full of people in prime construction time. The budget is online. If anyone can get better prices and bids they should run for the board on this platform or at least provide the board with that information. If you can give specifics and prove your statements we all need to be aware of this misconduct. We should then consider taking appropriate steps to impeach specific board members

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Could someone please list who is up for re-election, so that we know who we should NOT vote for?

Anyone planning to run for Board should start introducing themselves on this blog. Let everyone become familiar with your views on how LA should be run and what changes you would strive to make well before the coming election. The more we know about a candidate, the better the chances are that property owners will remember his/her name when they are checking off the ballot.

February 26, 2009 10:49 AM

president low ratings???? still

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Well... someone has the b____s to stand up against the ruling few of Lake Adventure. The Board president did a fine job in the Adventurer of turning neighbor against neighbor and am glad someone, other then myself and a few others,realize what he has accomplished. To single an individual out because he would use his name to find out where the money is going is like s dictator in other countries, where is our American pride. If there are any pay-backs towards this individual does the board understand they will be liable and if not ask your great lawyer, who has done nothing for us, what she thinks. If there were not a lots of cans of worms abounding in Lake Adventure Berkey's letter will sure as hell stir up more. This boards few members that are trying to turn things around better take the prez to task before we have a revolution in the summer.The party who made the statement that it is time for new blood on the board instead of the same few hit the nail on the head!!!.... The new manager is going to have his hands full answering property owners questions this summer and can thank the board members who turned this beautiful community into a hell hole!!!!

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As usual Mr. Berkey has decided that he should again incite property owner against property owner to get his own way and go the way of former board presidents who would make rules to benefit the few not the many, themselves, their friends, their family. Who cares if bids are not gotten for jobs, who cares if you don't have the right to vote on dues increases, who cares if they keep taking out mortgages at the highest rates or keep managers who ignore you the property owner asking where is the MONEY? Over 100% increase in dues in 5 years, who made money on contracts given to his friends, did he get kick backs, does the roof still leak on the clubhouse, don't you all like how wonderful the community looks. In the past this was a community that we were proud of what has happened to all the money collected where did it go. No answers from Mr.Berkey or other former board members who served for 3, 4, 5 year terms. His answer is to accuse property owners who only wanted answers to the question WHAT DID THEY DO WITH ALL THE MONEY? If answers were givin at open board meetings maybe there would not have been a need to form a committee to try & get the answers. What has happened to your right to vote on any major increase to your dues are you willing to let 7 people make the choice for you to raise the dues till you have no choice but to sell because you can no longer afford to keep your Lot? Your fellow members are only asking the questions that others are afraid to ask because then Mr Berkey can harass & incite others to do the same to you.

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HERE WE GO AGAIN, INSTEAD OF TRYING TO BRING THE COMMUNITY TOGETHER BY POINTING OUT HOW MUCH HAS BEEN ACCOMPLISHED BY GETTING RID OF THE FORMER MANAGER & HOW MUCH MONEY HAS BEEN SAVED (IF ANY) SINCE HE IS NO LONGER HERE WHY WOULD WE EXPECT THIS BOARD PRESIDENT TO BE ANY DIFFERENT THAN THE FORMER TYRANTS THAT WE ELECTED TO SERVE AFTER ALL EASIER TO PICK ON THOSE WHO HAVE WORKED HARD TO GET ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS THAT EVERY PROPERTY OWNER HAS THE RIGHT TO AND TRY AGAIN TO INCITE OWNER AGAINST OWNER - THIS WAY HE DOESN'T HAVE TO ANSWER WHY YOU DON'T HAVE TO RIGHT TO VOTE ON YOUR DUES INCREASES OR WHY THEY CAN CHARGE YOU FOR SERVICES THAT YOU ALREADY PAY FOR IN YOUR DUES LIKE SUPPLY YOU WITH WATER WHEN YOUR HYDRANT NO LONGER WORKS. LETS SEE A NEW HYDRANT COST WHAT $50/75 AND THEY WERE CHARGING UP TO $1000 TO REPLACE /MATERIAL & LABOR? ISN'T THAT WHAT YOUR DUES ARE SUPPOSED TO INCLUDE MR. PRESIDENT. OH BY THE WAY THAT IS WHAT CCLA WAS ASKING. WHERE DID THE EXTRA MONEY GO THAT WAS OVERCHARGED?


ANON -- THE COSTS FOR HYDRANT REPLACEMENT IS VERY HIGH --- I'M NOT SURE IT IS JUSTIFIED AND SHOULD BE REVIEWED BY THE ENTIRE BOD --- YES YOU ARE A MEMBER OF A COMMUNITY THAT CLAIMS TO HAVE PUBLIC UTILITIES, ELECTRIC, WATER AND SEWER ( THE SIGN OUT ON 739 SAYS SO AND THAT MUST BE GOSPEL ) AND THEREFORE THE COMMUNITY SHOULD SHOULDER THE COST OF OPERATING AND MAINTAINING THESE SYSTEMS -- YOUR DUES SHOULD COVER THIS INSTEAD OF THE WASTEFUL PROJECTS THIS BOD EMBARKS ON EVERY SEASON -- (OVERPRICED BIDS FOR LATERAL REPLACEMENTS, ELECTRICAL GRID UPGRADES AND SOON LAUNDRY FACILITIES FOR THE SATISFACTION OF A FEW NESTERS THAT ALMOST (WINK WINK) NEVER LEAVE LA, MISAPPROPRIATION AND MISMANAGEMENT OF LA ASSETS OF LABOR AND EQUIPMENT (USING THEM FOR GRAVEL WORK AMONG OTHER THINGS)

THEY'RE MANY THINGS THAT THIS BOD IS INVOLVED IN AND NOT ALL ARE FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE COMMUNITY--- NEW PEOPLE NEED TO RUN FOR BOD SEATS -- PEOPLE WHO HAVEN'T SAT ON THE BOD BEFORE SO THAT NEW EYES CAN OVERSEE AND DIRECT LA AND THE NEW MANANGER-- IF NOT THIS BOD WILL CORRUPT THE NEW MANAGER BEFORE THE FIRST SEASON IS OVER!!!!!

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If the families of those people had a problem with their loved ones names being on the la website then let them say something about taking it down. Obviously the families are okay with it, so you should just get over it.

And if you actually knew any of the history of LA and were there in the good ole days, you would have known these people, because they were true community members who were there for the good of LA through good times and bad, and actually volunteered their time to make their community a better place.

Do you ppl just look for things to complain about?!?! Are you really complaining about obituaries?!? JEEZ.

anon -- if you feel the page is worthy of publishing then it should be kept timely and relevant -- annual updates are in order

ADVENTURER

I WILL PUBLISH EACH PAGE OF THE ADVENTURER -- WE START WITH ART BERGEY'S ANNUAL MESSAGE

CLICK ON PAGE TO ENLARGE

UPDATE FOR LA WEB PAGE ?

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Is a obituary page really necessary on the LA web site?

http://lakeadventure.net/obits.php

It's so stupid!!!! Does everyone really need to know who died for ever? Some of the people on the list passed on years ago.


ANON -- YOUR RIGHT THE PAGE SHOULD BE UPDATED MORE FREQUENTLY IF THIS SECTION IS NECESSARY AT ALL????

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Why is the LA requiring us to have double permits?

Look at the September board meeting minutes:

"PERMITS - LACA lost money for not requiring people to file a permit for township required permits (deck,platforms,gazebos,screenhouses) with us before going to the township."

IT'S ALL ABOUT MONEY!! They just want the money that they take in from the permit process.

Just because LA issues a permit and their final inspection passes, doesn't guarantee that you are in compliance. The TOWN has the final word! What the TOWN says is what matters, not the BOD or any of their representatives. That's why people have been getting violations from the town.

This double permit practice is just another way of nickle and diming us to death.

PERMIT REQUIREMENTS

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I see under Permit Changes, we now have to go to the town for Trailer permits as well as Shed permits.

If we have to go to the Town for all these permits, why do we have to duplicate the process (and also the fees) by also having to get a permit from LA? Why can't we just provide a photocopy of the Town permit to LA for their office records? Why do we have to incur extra expenses??? There won't be any need for LA to do any inspections and it doesn't matter what LA management says, the Town has the final word when they do their own inspection upon completion of work.


ANON ---- WELL YOU BRING UP SOME INTERESTING POINTS -- COPIES OF DOCUMENTS THAT YOU SUBMIT TO DINGMAN SHOULD BE ADEQUATE FOR LA'S PURPOSES --- YES THE TOWNSHIP REQUIREMENTS FOR CONSTRUCTION PURPOSES SHOULD BE MORE THAN LA REQUIRES BUT LA COULD ADD SOME COMMUNITY STANDARDS THAT ARE MORE THAN REQUIRED BY THE TOWNSHIP-- STANDARDS FOR AESTHETICS, DESIGN ENHANCEMENTS, CONFORMITY REQUIREMENTS AND ETC--- I DON'T SEE THIS HAPPENING SINCE THE BOD HARDLY AGREES ON ANYTHING THAT WOULD BE OF A POSITIVE NATURE FOR THE COMMUNITY-- IT IS BEYOND THEIR PAY SCALE

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In regards to the letter from the town’s attorneys in the newsletter:

Exactly what was the town responding to -- just the question of permitting 12’ wides? Why didn’t the board also include the original letter from LACA’s attorney in the newsletter so that all the property owners know exactly what communication has been going on between us and the town? What are the EXACT problems that the town sees with LA’s infrastructure and property management that haven’t been or in the process of being rectified? What is the board’s next step -- nothing?

Once again, a little bit of information is thrown out us just to pacify us -– no intro, no conclusion -– just figure it out for yourself. And it took almost 3 months for that. The BOD wonders why people lash out and vent on forums such as this blog. Well, duh-h-h-!





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Does the town pave and plow our roads? Are they maintaining our electric and water infrastructure? I believe the DEP is aware of our infrastructure and upgrade plans and we are not in violation of any ordinances. If we are, please list them, as a property owner I'd like to know what they are. Agreed, we are not a separate town and are bound by city, county and state ordinances, however we do have our own governing board with a set of bylaws enforced inhouse. We are a cooperative venture with the township but our dues pay for the upkeep of the property, we don't rely on township taxes for maintenance and upgrades as dooutside township property owners do.

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THE TERRITORY OF LAKE ADVENTURE --- NOT !!!!!





i think that there is an impression out there that la is a territory or state all to itself and not subject to complying with the various government ordinances and laws -- IT ISN'T !!!! the township has rules, regulations and ordinances that must be complied with whether you are sunrise or la, mt. kisco or any other development or business--- the rules do apply and la needs to be in compliance with these rules as well as all state and federal statures -- we are not a private independent state --

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Based on the letter from the township in the LA newspaper it appears the twsp is holding us hostage in order to get 12' wides approved. It looks like the ransom is a lot of ordinances to eliminate our self governing community. I'm interested in the full slide Kropf advertised in the Adventurer. Price slightly higher than regular 12' wide but may be worth it if you don't want a split living room and tv on the floor like the 8 1/2' wides. Does anyone know of anyone who bought one? I know there are a few in the community that were recently purchased

OH CANADA

PAUL KRUGMAN on finances

Op-Ed Columnist
Decade at Bernie’s
By PAUL KRUGMAN
Published: February 15, 2009


By now everyone knows the sad tale of Bernard Madoff’s duped investors. They looked at their statements and thought they were rich. But then, one day, they discovered to their horror that their supposed wealth was a figment of someone else’s imagination.

Unfortunately, that’s a pretty good metaphor for what happened to America as a whole in the first decade of the 21st century.

Last week the Federal Reserve released the results of the latest Survey of Consumer Finances, a triennial report on the assets and liabilities of American households. The bottom line is that there has been basically no wealth creation at all since the turn of the millennium: the net worth of the average American household, adjusted for inflation, is lower now than it was in 2001.

At one level this should come as no surprise. For most of the last decade America was a nation of borrowers and spenders, not savers. The personal savings rate dropped from 9 percent in the 1980s to 5 percent in the 1990s, to just 0.6 percent from 2005 to 2007, and household debt grew much faster than personal income. Why should we have expected our net worth to go up?

Yet until very recently Americans believed they were getting richer, because they received statements saying that their houses and stock portfolios were appreciating in value faster than their debts were increasing. And if the belief of many Americans that they could count on capital gains forever sounds naïve, it’s worth remembering just how many influential voices — notably in right-leaning publications like The Wall Street Journal, Forbes and National Review — promoted that belief, and ridiculed those who worried about low savings and high levels of debt.

Then reality struck, and it turned out that the worriers had been right all along. The surge in asset values had been an illusion — but the surge in debt had been all too real.

So now we’re in trouble — deeper trouble, I think, than most people realize even now. And I’m not just talking about the dwindling band of forecasters who still insist that the economy will snap back any day now.

For this is a broad-based mess. Everyone talks about the problems of the banks, which are indeed in even worse shape than the rest of the system. But the banks aren’t the only players with too much debt and too few assets; the same description applies to the private sector as a whole.

And as the great American economist Irving Fisher pointed out in the 1930s, the things people and companies do when they realize they have too much debt tend to be self-defeating when everyone tries to do them at the same time. Attempts to sell assets and pay off debt deepen the plunge in asset prices, further reducing net worth. Attempts to save more translate into a collapse of consumer demand, deepening the economic slump.

Are policy makers ready to do what it takes to break this vicious circle? In principle, yes. Government officials understand the issue: we need to “contain what is a very damaging and potentially deflationary spiral,” says Lawrence Summers, a top Obama economic adviser.

In practice, however, the policies currently on offer don’t look adequate to the challenge. The fiscal stimulus plan, while it will certainly help, probably won’t do more than mitigate the economic side effects of debt deflation. And the much-awaited announcement of the bank rescue plan left everyone confused rather than reassured.

There’s hope that the bank rescue will eventually turn into something stronger. It has been interesting to watch the idea of temporary bank nationalization move from the fringe to mainstream acceptance, with even Republicans like Senator Lindsey Graham conceding that it may be necessary. But even if we eventually do what’s needed on the bank front, that will solve only part of the problem.

If you want to see what it really takes to boot the economy out of a debt trap, look at the large public works program, otherwise known as World War II, that ended the Great Depression. The war didn’t just lead to full employment. It also led to rapidly rising incomes and substantial inflation, all with virtually no borrowing by the private sector. By 1945 the government’s debt had soared, but the ratio of private-sector debt to G.D.P. was only half what it had been in 1940. And this low level of private debt helped set the stage for the great postwar boom.

Since nothing like that is on the table, or seems likely to get on the table any time soon, it will take years for families and firms to work off the debt they ran up so blithely. The odds are that the legacy of our time of illusion — our decade at Bernie’s — will be a long, painful slump.

Next Article in Opinion (1 of 28) » A version of this article appeared in print on February 16, 2009, on page A23 of the New York edition.

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Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "???????":

you really sound like smart people.
i hope people at laca see how stupid you are.
i also hope the people of laca read the adventure
the letter from art.the pres.of the board. and realize how much money you are costing us. money that can be used in better places.
your attempt to get more votes for lowering the dues. i hope people of laca realize it is only for one year.
i think the pres of the board should be praised and instead of badmouthing use that energy to help out at laca. i don not know why anyone would want to run for the thankless job of being on the board. give these guys credit for being the people they are. caring people.

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Anonymous said...
we the ccla like to remain anonymous so we dont get threatened we like to be sneeky we have nothing better to do we have no life this is are life we love to hide behind are computers

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LUCKY DAY !!!!

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Hello....My husband and I bought our place at LA three years ago. I just love it there...it's my place of peace and quiet. Due to illness we haven't spent as much time there as I would like. I really hope this year will be different.
I don't claim to know what really is going on at the lake, but, here is my thought. If you are really annoyed about something and you really think something should be done about it why don't you post your name instead of anonymous?
To the BOD, I hope to meet you this year....and, if I have a complaint, I sincerely hope we would work things out.

Jane Gardella

WELCOME NEW MANAGER

Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "CCLA + NEW MANAGER":

According to the BOD minutes, Mr. Warm was interviewed at the November board meeting. They list some of his experience and qualifications in the November minutes and also in the Winter/Spring issue of The Adventurer, which has been mailed out.

Mr. Warm starts his position as Property Manager in April. I think this will be a refreshing, new beginning for the association. Someone with 20 years in the military and his work experience will most likely demonstrate the dedication, work ethic, respect, intelligence and leadership that Lake Adventure needs to get back on track.

We should all welcome him with an open mind -- he's taking over a position that was left as a disaster and things can't change overnight. Let's start this spring with a fresh outlook.

Welcome aboard, Mr. Warm. The property owners look forward to working with you in making Lake Adventure the kind of community it should be and has the potential to be.

CCLA + NEW MANAGER

Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "CCLA":

Since I attended every open meeting this past summer and never heard anyone being threatened I'd like to know where anon got his/her info. What I did hear was the BOD President invite the CCLA members to come to the office and request any info they wanted, within reason, and it would be supplied. So far they haven't done that. This site can be very informative, but it can also be a place for too many disgruntled people to spew their own version of what they believe to be taking place at LACA without any regard for investigating facts. Just because someone makes an accusation, doesn't necessarily mean they know what they are talking about.

another posting:

Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "CCLA":


For those of you who don't know..

They hired a new manager, his name is William Warms and he starts
April 1st...

Does anyone know anything about him...

CCLA

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Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "CCLA":

Seems like a great idea to have CCLA get involved at LA. I remember at a meeting last summer some property owners threatened members of CCLA by stoning them!!!.... Wasn't there a saying about we have nothing to fear but fear itself??? No matter who comes forward something must be done about leadership at LA and if it means to introduce a "watchdog Committe" so be it. Things have been done with no body having to answer to another party so maybe this is a start and let the board ask CCLA to join them on certain issues. The rumor was these members donated money to start and hired a lawyer on their own. Now, that sure sounds like a pro-active approach to finding answers and trying to improve conditions. Bring it on!!! Have CCLA and the board have a joint meeting to find answers, I would also donate funds to that group if it would improve conditions. If the people who threatened the present members would put that anger to a popsitive angle and work to help LA it would make for a better place

CCLA

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Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "comment + management":

Could someone from the CCLA offer some information about the group on this blog or other ways we can find out more about the organization? I think many of us would be interested if we knew more about them: how did the group come about, their goals, membership info, when and where do they meet, are they just interested in the financial matters or every aspect of LA, etc.

Individual complaining down at the office or mailing letters to the BOD does no good – been there, done that, as I’m sure many others have also experienced. There is a power in numbers. Perhaps our concerns that are going unaddressed could be corrected best if we work together as neighbors and as an organized group to resolve these issues. Is the CCLA that kind of group?

anon -- i also would like to hear from ccla members and what their agenda encompasses--i believe that there is a need for members to interact and exchange their thoughts and concerns about la -- i think the fact that they were formed and have people interested in the goals of a group of association members indicates that they have the best intentions for la--they need to become more vocal and i invite them to contribute to this blog and share their thoughts with other members -- the more we interact and the more we develop a consensus of concerns the easier it will be to go to this bod for some face time OR ---- the more we will be able to determine which bod members need to be dropped at election time --- if not before!!!!!!

on the edge by paul krugman

Op-Ed Columnist
On the Edge
By PAUL KRUGMAN
Published: February 5, 2009
A not-so-funny thing happened on the way to economic recovery. Over the last two weeks, what should have been a deadly serious debate about how to save an economy in desperate straits turned, instead, into hackneyed political theater, with Republicans spouting all the old clichés about wasteful government spending and the wonders of tax cuts.

It’s as if the dismal economic failure of the last eight years never happened — yet Democrats have, incredibly, been on the defensive. Even if a major stimulus bill does pass the Senate, there’s a real risk that important parts of the original plan, especially aid to state and local governments, will have been emasculated.

Somehow, Washington has lost any sense of what’s at stake — of the reality that we may well be falling into an economic abyss, and that if we do, it will be very hard to get out again.

It’s hard to exaggerate how much economic trouble we’re in. The crisis began with housing, but the implosion of the Bush-era housing bubble has set economic dominoes falling not just in the United States, but around the world.

Consumers, their wealth decimated and their optimism shattered by collapsing home prices and a sliding stock market, have cut back their spending and sharply increased their saving — a good thing in the long run, but a huge blow to the economy right now. Developers of commercial real estate, watching rents fall and financing costs soar, are slashing their investment plans. Businesses are canceling plans to expand capacity, since they aren’t selling enough to use the capacity they have. And exports, which were one of the U.S. economy’s few areas of strength over the past couple of years, are now plunging as the financial crisis hits our trading partners.

Meanwhile, our main line of defense against recessions — the Federal Reserve’s usual ability to support the economy by cutting interest rates — has already been overrun. The Fed has cut the rates it controls basically to zero, yet the economy is still in free fall.

It’s no wonder, then, that most economic forecasts warn that in the absence of government action we’re headed for a deep, prolonged slump. Some private analysts predict double-digit unemployment. The Congressional Budget Office is slightly more sanguine, but its director, nonetheless, recently warned that “absent a change in fiscal policy ... the shortfall in the nation’s output relative to potential levels will be the largest — in duration and depth — since the Depression of the 1930s.”

Worst of all is the possibility that the economy will, as it did in the ’30s, end up stuck in a prolonged deflationary trap.

We’re already closer to outright deflation than at any point since the Great Depression. In particular, the private sector is experiencing widespread wage cuts for the first time since the 1930s, and there will be much more of that if the economy continues to weaken.

As the great American economist Irving Fisher pointed out almost 80 years ago, deflation, once started, tends to feed on itself. As dollar incomes fall in the face of a depressed economy, the burden of debt becomes harder to bear, while the expectation of further price declines discourages investment spending. These effects of deflation depress the economy further, which leads to more deflation, and so on.

And deflationary traps can go on for a long time. Japan experienced a “lost decade” of deflation and stagnation in the 1990s — and the only thing that let Japan escape from its trap was a global boom that boosted the nation’s exports. Who will rescue America from a similar trap now that the whole world is slumping at the same time?

Would the Obama economic plan, if enacted, ensure that America won’t have its own lost decade? Not necessarily: a number of economists, myself included, think the plan falls short and should be substantially bigger. But the Obama plan would certainly improve our odds. And that’s why the efforts of Republicans to make the plan smaller and less effective — to turn it into little more than another round of Bush-style tax cuts — are so destructive.

So what should Mr. Obama do? Count me among those who think that the president made a big mistake in his initial approach, that his attempts to transcend partisanship ended up empowering politicians who take their marching orders from Rush Limbaugh. What matters now, however, is what he does next.

It’s time for Mr. Obama to go on the offensive. Above all, he must not shy away from pointing out that those who stand in the way of his plan, in the name of a discredited economic philosophy, are putting the nation’s future at risk. The American economy is on the edge of catastrophe, and much of the Republican Party is trying to push it over that edge.

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Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "bod + secrecy + bully + constitution == yea!!!":

I don't think this is the first time owners have been upset by the board, it's just until recently we didn't have a place to express our frustration and realize so many others felt the same way. I didn't want to be the only one to complain to the manager or BOD. Now I realize there is the CCLA and a whole group of members who want responsible leadership and accountability for our finances and why a manager was let go without a candidate for the position in the pipeline. While I'm dissatisfied with the way some things are going I still enjoy my time here with the family. My hopes are dashed for getting a 12' wide but I'm not considering selling. I'd rather try to make some sort of contribution to making the place better. This season we all need to make trips to the office and express our concern in writing and continue to pressure the BOD for tangible improvements.

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Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "no reply -- addressee unkown ???":

The BOD is not set up to handle responses to member letters regarding day to day complaints and problems. The first line of defense, i.e., the property manager, should be the one taking on that responsibility. He/she then handles it. If it's something he's not authorized to decide they then turn it over to the BOD. The BOD meets 10 days a year, what about the other 355? We need a property manager on site. There are a lot of projects on hold because there is no one at the helm. I also agree with a comment, our sister communities are thankful this isn't going on at their place. We need to have secure access to the finances and board minutes, this info is just more fodder for the twsp to use against us. They read we have a manhole problem, don't be surprised if they'll be in here doing an inspection and issuing citations for who knows what. I've not received resonses to letters I've written lately (but did when we had a PM) but have gotten relevant information when calling the Office. We owe these ladies (and gentlemen?)a lot for keeping things in order while the place is essentially unmanaged.

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